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Is democracy still the best form of government?

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  1. Fedorgasm Black Belt

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    Obviously it's superior to a dictatorship where one dude just oppresses his own people, and most people believe it's superior to communism, based on the quality of life in communist countries like China, Russia, Cuba in the past 80 years or so.

    But democracy has some very glaring flaws. The biggest probably being that you need a very educated society in order for it to work well.

    If the majority of the voters are uneducated, or perhaps educated but intellectually lazy, then there is no way they can be relied upon to vote for an effective leader. Not to mention that winning elections is a completely different skill than running a country, and our system is set up to elect the best campaigners rather than the best leaders.

    So are there other forms of government, either real or hypothetical, that might be superior to democracy? Or is it still the best despite it's flaws?
     
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    Well, it would be hard to top a benevolent dictatorship with an altruistic genius at the helm, but since it's impossible to guarantee such an individual, it's generally best to avoid that system.
     
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    There is probably an argument for a benevolent dictatorship, especially if you have a bunch of uneducated peons to guide, but history seems to have proven no dictator remains that benevolent for that long.
     
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    I prefer a cheerocracy.
     
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    Do you think communism would be viable with a powerful supercomputer in charge of distribution of resources and labour? That way you minimize the corruption/nepotism and inefficiencies inherent in that system.

    Or is it just a recipe for a dystopia ruled by Skynet-lite?
     
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  6. Daniel Fox Orange Belt

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    I will answer your question by quoting Winston Churchill...."Democracy is the worst form of government except for all of the others"
     
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    Whatever generates the most buzz on social media and provides the best ratings for garbo tv is probably the best because the social media buzz and ratings say so.
     
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    That is an interesting concept, and exactly why I started this thread. I've never thought of such a thing.

    So it sounds like we agree that a benevolent dictatorship is the way to go, but since no human is capable of being incorruptable, then we need skynet to be that dictator.


    I have to say though, corruption is only one fault with communism. Let's say skynet does distribute all resources equally, but we still have the problem of motivating humans to work hard and achieve great things. We know that there are a lot of people who would turn into the equivalent of the stereotypical lazy union worker under a communist rule.
     
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    Everyone I've met that questions Democratic/Capitalism being the least flawed version of government all have one thing in common.

    They've never lived in a country of a Socialist/Communist government.

    There's a reason why citizens of Socialist/Communist governments flee to Democratic/Capitalism countries bringing nothing but the clothes on their backs and whatever they can put in their pockets.

    Don't think there's ever been a single person to get on a raft in Florida and flee this hellhole for the eutopia named Cuba.
     
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  10. sub_thug Black Belt

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    Amen. Socialism and autocratic forms of government are proof that people don't learn from their mistakes or the mistakes of history. To temptation for the ideal is too great for some, so they want to repeat the experiment again. Inevitably, the same calamitous result is had, and after a time, some fool thinking himself wise says, "But wait! I can do better! Things will be different this time!"
     
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  11. ralphc1 Gold Belt

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    I'm not aware of any government that is a democracy.
     
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    I was just thinking. Communism would work if they distribute more money to the poor people. I love the idea of communism but people are too corrupted for it to work.

    From what I can see capitalism and communism is the same. You have the 1% and then you have the 99%. Seriously, nobody should need all that money. Communism would work but they need to limit the amount of money one can accumulate to like 10million or 100 million which is more than enough. Then the rest goes to the poor. The more you work, the more you make.

    I like the super computer model.
     
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  13. TeTe Emmanuelle bless

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    Not a fan of Trump either hun?
     
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  14. GearSolidMetal I'm here to chew bubblegum and bang your mom.

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    More like those that seek totalitarian rule - tyrants - copy and paste the promises made to an ignorant and uneducated population.

    Look at the number of socialist/communist nations throughout the world, and that's the evidence of how effective that is.
     
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    Just make sure to convince them that it's the high-minded thing to do, the altruistic thing to do, and the intelligent thing to do. They'll hand over their freedoms in a heartbeat. Thomas Hobbes wrote of a war of all against all. The only problem is that people read it and took it to mean that it was a bad thing. Competition and freedoms are good. It's how we have gotten to this point as a species.
     
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    It's the worst form of government besides all of the other forms of government.
     
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    Successes and screwups can be achieved by any system. The Magna Carta sprung from a monarchy. Hitler was defeated by democratically elected leaders acting temporarily with the powers of dictators.

    Democracy and codified capitalism on a grand scale have existed for a relatively short period of time, and during that period, we've got ourselves into a great many troubles as a species that have yet to be solved and are from guaranteed to be solved.

    Democracy and capitalism seem to be the best course of action, but like everyone before us, we're living in a snapshot of human history.
     
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  18. Old Cat Silver Belt

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    Ha ha.. I was going to say the same thing. To my knowledge there has never been a direct democracy.

    As far as the US goes , it is a constitutional republic. Reading is knowledge people.
     
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  19. WorldofWarcraft Holy Paladin

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    The most important thing to a society's success is the general average intelligence of its inhabitants.

    You have countries whose system of government is styled after successful societies that are generally shit.
     
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  20. sub_thug Black Belt

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    I agree that any system can fail, although it seems statistically improbable that success is a possible outcome from certain systems. Some of the things that you described are not products of the systems themselves. For example, Hitler did not lose that war because he was an autocrat. He lost it because his military over-extended itself by fighting on so many fronts, and a series of tactical blunders made by his generals sealed his fate. That could have just as easily happened to a democratically elected leader. Other things would not have arisen from the Third Reich as a result of there being a Third Reich, however.

    They have existed for a relatively short period of time (a few hundred years), but I wouldn't say that they've caused a great deal of problems by themselves. Some, yes. But others have been problems that have been caused by forces that are irrelevant to the system's construct. Take the environment, for example. We have a real issue on our hands with carbon emissions, but that isn't the fault of capitalism. It's not like socialist economies DON'T produce hydrocarbon emissions, so is the problem capitalism? And we have only just begun to understand our environmental impact. The people of the Industrial Revolution did not understand such things, nor did the cattle farmers of the era (cow farts are the actual largest source of methane emissions on the planet). So is capitalism really the problem, or is it scientific ignorance?
     
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